ABSOLUTE BIBLICAL PROOF THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE :RAPTURE THE LAST TRUMPET AND SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
Rapture: The Last Trump And The Second Coming Of Christ
By Mark Watson
The Pre-tribulation Rapture is not a sound and unassailable theological position. The preponderance of evidence that the translation of the saints and the second coming of Jesus Christ are one and the same event is extensive. I know many of you have been taught to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture by a plethora of biblical prophecy teachers and scholars. The following paragraphs will explain why, as much as I want to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, the scriptures clearly indicate when the translation of the saints will occur. But first let me explain why this topic is so very important.
What you believe affects how you live. If you earnestly believe that you will not go through the last seven years of extreme trouble commonly referred to as the Great Tribulation, then you will not make any preparations spiritually or physically. If on the other hand you know (or even suspect) you will be here, then you will prayerfully and constantly seek Christ’s wisdom and guidance and LIVE BY FAITH. It is my considered opinion that God loves us all, even the most hardened sinner. But he will not be mocked at judgment day. We saints of God who sincerely want to do God’s will must do what Christ tells us to do, even if it means receiving ridicule and scorn, and having ‘Christians’ separate themselves from us. For many of us this means to live simply and humbly. Others have been called to exhort and teach while others are to minister according to Gods good graces. We, who are among the saved, must claim Gods promises including the ones Jesus made such as “In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer I have overcome the world.” ( John 16:33b) This is an (uncomfortable) promise the Son of God makes to his followers. If you are a true Christian, it applies to you. The necessity of enduring to the end and of the leading astray, if possible, even the elect takes on an entirely new meaning if the Church is to here during the tribulation and the reign of anti-Christ.
Additionally, it must be stated here that other than the doctrine of the first coming of Christ, his death and resurrection and Messiahship, the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ is the most important doctrine in scripture, in short it is the final act in God’s promise of redemption. The return of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to save his Church, the true Israel and heirs to the promise is the single most important doctrine in the Bible, with the possible exception of Christ’s bodily resurrection. In short it is the consummation of the work of Jesus Christ. So how can any believer say, ‘It isn’t important’, or ‘it will all come out in the wash’ or ‘we’ll know when he comes’?That was the mistake the Jews made when Christ came the first time and THEY WERE REJECTED FOR NOT KNOWING THE IME OF THEIR VISITATION. Jesus told us to watch, over and over again he warns us to watch. How are we to know what to watch for? The answer to that is in the scriptures, in the writings of the Prophets and in the Messiah’s words. This is a critical doctrine, because if you do not get this right, you will be as a man looking towards the east, when all the things he should be watching for are in the west. Remember, the Jews during Christs time, were hell-bound and eventually wound up hating and murdering the Christ who came to save them because they did not expect him to do the things that he did at the time that he did them. They wanted someone who would restore the kingdom of David and rid them of Roman Dominance without really turning towards God and doing the things that he commanded them to do. Today, believers want Christ to come to save them from the reign of Antichrist and severe persecution without the true repentance and more importantly the complete submission to Christ’s Lordship (obedience) that leads to true salvation. In short, they want to fly away. Yet the scriptures clearly teach something very different. Lay hold of this, it is very important.
The rapture of the saints cannot occur until the last trumpet is sounded. “Behold I show you a mystery we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:51,52). This gives the timing of the rapture
At the last trump.
Let’s see what else the scripture says about this, “
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the LORD himself shall decent from heaven with a shout with the voice of the Archangel and with the Trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air and so shall we ever be with the LORD. (1 Thes 4:15-17)
The time table is the same:
The trumpet.
The Dead in Christ shall be raised.
The remaining saints translated
Paul tells the Church that we the remaining, still alive believers will not precede those saints who had already died in the LORD. My goodness, how much more clear can you get!? Brothers and sisters, this doctrine is no real mystery. It is not complicated, it is not hidden deep in obscure verses to be interpreted in a strange and new way. It is in plain black and white so plain that any honest, literate, spirit-filled Christian can see for themselves. Unfortunately that is the extreme minority of Christians in America. Far too many are listening to the false shepherds of Babylon.
Paul warned the Thessalonians, “
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(2Th 2:1-4)
Here is a stern warning from the Apostle. He categorically states with regard to
1. The coming of the LORD
2. Our Gathering unto him
He warns us not to let any man deceive you BY ANY MEANS (by a secret return of the LORD). Yet the modern American teachers have found a means. They simply say that there is another ‘secret coming’ or a ‘secret gathering’ that that Paul isn’t talking about. Christ warned us about those who teach of a secret return of the LORD and told his disciples exactly how he was going to come, suddenly for all to see and hear.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(Mat 24:26-27)
A note here, Paul says that anyone who says the church won’t be here when the son of perdition (Antichrist) is revealed is deceiving you. Those who are teaching that you are going to fly away before the Antichrist is revealed are deceivers. Plain and simple. But there is big, big money in deceiving the Church, hence they are the ones whom the harlot religious system honors and promotes with their books, movies and magazines. Some may be doing it with the best of intentions, but a false doctrine is still false and a false teacher is still a false teacher.Reader Beware. Many of todays Seminaries and Bible Colleges have pounded the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture into the minds of denominational Church leaders that now hold important positions in mainstream Christianity. Many hold this doctrine because they have never really honestly studied it fully. Other have studied it knowing the pre-trib rapture position is false but remain silent out of cowardice and fear. Still others don’t really believe in a return of the LORD at all, though they would never actually teach that. In any event, whatever the motivation of these religious leaders weather it is laziness, fear, or unbelief the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture is a false one.
What does Jesus say?
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matt 24:29-31)
Jesus said after the tribulation. And again we see the angels are present and the sound of a Trumpet.
The book of revelation identifies when the LAST trumpet sounds. There are seven trumpets which sound in the book of revelation and the last one is very different from the first six.
The First trumpet - fire hail and blood were thrown to earth.
The Second trumpet - a great “mountain” was cast into the sea.
The Third trumpet - a great star fell from heaven.
The Fourth trumpet - the sun moon and stars smitten.
The Fifth trumpet - the key to the bottomless pit opened, locusts released
The sixth trumpet - Four powerful angels released to slay one-third of men.
Then there is a long description of events which take place BEFORE THE SEVENTH AND FINAL ANGEL SOUNDS his trumpet.
1. An angel declares the mystery of God is finished1. (The seven thunders)
2. There should be no more delay.
3. The temple of God is measured.
4. God’s two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days (who says there are no more prophets!)
5. The two witnesses shall be killed in Jerusalem.
6. The two witnesses shall be caught up to heaven.
But at the seventh trumpet;
1. The kingdoms of the Earth become the kingdoms of God and Jesus Christ
2. The nations are angry at Jesus Christ
3. The Judgment of the dead is at hand
4. The reward of Gods servants is at hand.
5. Time for Christ and his servants to destroy those that destroy the earth.
6. The time of God’s wrath has come.
Indeed these verses show there is an excellent possibility of a pre-wrath rapture. Consider that the DAY of the LORD begins with his wrath. And that on that day many, many things begin to happen, perhaps too many to fit into a single solar day.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2Pe 3:8)
I do not want to take liberties here for this subject is not so clear, but it is quite possible that the Last Day (Day of the LORD) that begins with God’s Wrath, is the actually the beginning of the last thousand year reign also known as the millennium. This is food for serious thought for after the last trumpet sounds, the rulership of the planet changes hands and many many things transpire.
The First Resurrection
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheadedfor the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection – Revelation 20:4-5
This is a most amazing scripture in the entire debate on the second coming of Christ. First, look and see who is included in this resurrection;those who refused to take the mark of the beast. Now we know that the translation of the saints (rapture) is not until after the first resurrection (1 Thess4:16-17). This verse tells you that the First resurrection takes place AFTER the mark of the beast. In short, NO resurrection and NO rapture before the mark of the beast. This lines up perfectly with what Paul so clearly stated, there will be no second coming of Christ before the Antichrist is revealed. (2 Thess. 2:3).
Indeed, Christ himself was most emphatic on when he was going to resurrect the dead in Christ.
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. (Joh 6:39)
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (Joh 6:40)
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (Joh 6:44)
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. (Joh 11:24)
Christ makes it abundantly clear that no one gets resurrected until the last day. The Apostle Paul makes it clear that no one is going away in any ‘rapture’ until the dead in Christ are raised up first. These are clear and incontrovertible teaching of Christ and his holy Apostles.
I do not see the Second Coming of Christ and the rapture of the saints as two different events. Rather, I see clearly it as being one single event. Nevertheless, even if they are separate events, neither will occur before the man of sin is revealed and many Christians are martyred for having refused the mark of the beast. More importantly, I do not believe the scriptures teach anything remotely like a pre-tribulation rapture. Christ is coming for a Church without spot or wrinkle. That certainly does not describe the millions of worldly, carnal ‘christians’ who flock to see the latest ‘end-times’ movies or buy the latest, best selling heretical ‘Christian fiction’ books. I am not trying to be condescending, but I believe that in the scriptures, first means first and last means last, if another trumpet sounds it is not the last!! Let me make this very clear to those who are teaching contrary to God’s revealed word, any other definition of last is no more than a wresting of the scriptures and great spiritual folly. But I am sure you will find no difficulty in finding millionaire teachers to convince you “that the Holy Spirit really didn’t mean last, what he really meant to say was…[Insert your convenient lie here]…”
The Wrath of God and the Church.
The church will not experience God’s wrath. PERIOD. Many teachers see this as evidence that the church must be raptured first. On the surface this seems sound, but in reality it is American, it is Laodicean and it springs from a spirit of lukewarmness. Consider this, Lot was not translated at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but he was removed from the danger area, Noah was not translated even though the flood covered the whole earth, everyone else was dead! At the end of the tribulation at least a few will survive. By faith Noah prepared. Even though he was certainly mocked and laughed at for doing so. During the plagues of Egypt God supernaturally protected his people from his WRATH (not from chastisement, tribulation or persecution, but Gods Holy Wrath). This is one way God may protect us from the plagues of the last days. However God chooses to do it, you can be sure he will. It is a non-sequiter that God MUST translate the church for people to escape his wrath. God is Sovereign and rest assured he has the situation under control, even if we are like the saints in the book of Daniel who were thrown directly into the fiery furnace and were not burned, GOD IS ABLE!!! I must tell you, this American Gospel of prosperity, easy believe-ism and name it and claim it materialism, is not of God and gives rise to the comfortable no-suffering doctrines which are passed off as truth in the pulpit and Christian TV. Millionaire Christians who preach this non-sense put their sheep in great peril because when persecutions and tribulations come, it shakes the faith of these poor souls. And if they are taught to believe that we will not go through the tribulation and finds everyone still here, what will happen next? Hell’s voice will speak in their troubled minds and say “If your preacher was wrong about the Rapture what else is he wrong about?” Then unbelief and even apostasy sets in. Then follows spiritual disaster. Because they were taught the gospel according to the American flag and the America dollar rather than according to Christ Jesus. God is not mocked. He who stores his treasure on earth will reap corruption. Consider this carefully, it will mean life or death to the mainstream American-Laodicean Church.
While God has not appointed us to wrath, there are some hard, hard times that believers will have to face and endure…to the end. The Antichrist will make war on the saints and will overcome them.
Revelation 13 says of the Beast: Vs 7 - And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [emphasis Mine]
One of the first mistakes made by modern and apostate teachers is that the Church will not be here when the ‘end times’ begins. This is palpably false and there is no real scriptural evidence for this. Those who hold this view must ignore or ‘reinterpret’ the words ‘saints’ and ‘believers’ and ‘those who obey God’s commandments’ as something other that the true followers of Jesus Christ, better known as the Church. Redefining terms is a tool the devil has always used to obfuscate and confuse the truth and finally deceive people. Saints means saints. If you have difficulty in knowing who the saints are, then do a word study(See Bottom of this Page2). Most of you will not STUDY the word of God, to show yourselves approved and that is why so many will not believe what the scripture teaches, but rather believe what the false teachers are teaching.
Rev. 14:9-14 clearly teaches 3 things:
The saints of the tribulation are those who hold the true faith of Jesus Christ (Vs 12)
They are to have patience because the mark of the beast is here and they must not take it (vs 9-12)
There is s special blessing in those who die from that time onwards (Vs 13)
I also believe that these teachers are setting up the people of God for a very, very vile deception. I do not know exactly what this deception is, but the Spirit bears witness that the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture figures in heavily. But whatever it is, it will be strong enough to deceive God’s most precious elect, if it were possible. Very few believers fall into that category. Very few. If it is strong enough to deceive them, what about the millions of half-baked lukewarm minions who call themselves Christians who bring great dishonor to Christ with their sinful lifestyles, and doctrines of devils? Did not the Apostle Paul warn of these types of people when he said that God would send them a strong delusion because they loved not the truth? Bear this in mind, saints of God, Satan is not sending this delusion, though he may be the instrument. God himself is sending this one.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:8-12)
Whatever this deception is, it has been in the works since at lest the days of Paul in the 1st Century (2Thes2:7). Therefore, if you are not firmly rooted and grounded in the word, knowing the times and the seasons of God’s prophetic timetable, you will be like a man who goes into battle without a map, weapon or a battle plan.
Such people will be the slaughtered on the great day of the LORD, with all who loved the lie rather than the truth.
The Spirit bears witness that the doctrine of Christ’s Second Coming is a foundation one. It is almost as important (though not quite) as salvation by grace and repentance from dead works. It is especially important to THIS GENERATION. God does not make foundational doctrines difficult to understand for his TRUE FLOCK. It is up to the Devil to confuse, obfuscate, misdirect, and otherwise DECEIVE those who receive not the love of the truth. Brothers and sisters, please let that not be you.
I know I have been uncompromising on this and I cannot apologize, I sense deeply that there is a great deception coming and this doctrine (the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine) is an important part of it. It is going to fool a lot of Christians. Even now some are teaching that it will be OK to take the mark of the Beast because it is only an ‘economic mark’ (????). Please study this doctrine and know the times and seasons it is the only way to properly watch unto salvation.
I humbly submit that I have been given no special divine revelation, no special angel has visited me with special messages regarding the rapture,no dream has revealed this mystery nor has any spiritual being spoken to me about these matters. I profess no special unction from God nor do I seek to have ‘followers’. Additionally, I do not wish to create dissension in the true Church of God. My only tools in unraveling this mystery are rightly dividing the word of truth (for many years) and deep and sincere prayer. Many will gainsay this message as it is contrary to the common teachings of the American Pulpit and the Government Corporations passing themselves off as Churches. Also, many who have claimed to have had ‘special revelation’ from God will also revile this message. I am undaunted and unconcerned with them. If they cannot teach the truth clearly, concisely from the scriptures, I want nothing to do with their uninspired opinions and half studied doctrines that are deceiving many well meaning Christians. Let them be judged by the living God for what they are. Please keep in mind that this writing is not a personal attack upon anyone. It is a look at the doctrine of the rapture/last trump as it is taught clearly and concisely in the Bible, without fanciful interpretations of apocalyptic symbology or exegetical mistakes that imputes or assumes events that are not clearly and concisely taught in scripture. Before any of you readers get all hot and bothered with what I have written, read, study and pray sincerely for wisdom and it will be granted… if it is asked for in faith.
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First, your lying and shouting headline speaks for itself, is an obvious ploy to anybody of any wisdom, that reflects the garbage sure to follow. You are claiming that you have absolute proof of anything regarding the rapture? You, the first person in history to obtain such proof? LIAR! What’s worse, prove a lie, what reflects a very poor understanding of the Bible, a very clear, pre-tribulation rapture found in scripture? All you can prove is your ignorance.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pre-trib-rapture.html
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html
actually we have gods word and we think its proof if you have problem with that i suggest you make a reasoned argument and disprove what is said here . before anyone will believe you
Are you dense? You were provided two links with very, very thorough applications of the word of God. You are a deceiver. If it’s because you’re so ignorant, or on purpose, only God knows, but your headline is a painfully obvious lie, this “absolute proof” of anything business.
It’s a dumb lie, a juvenile lie, a claim no Christian would make. You may have an opinion that is your misinterpretation of scripture, but you have, of course, proven nothing. Such a statement is historically ignorant in the whole of Biblical exegesis, that you have some private proof you’re revealing, which you deign yourself the first person in history to have. Simply stupid! You give yourself away, just in that lying headline. Everybody who knows anything can see this. That you are trying to mislead people, that you have no “blessed hope,” is your problem, no Christian of any knowledge and experience buying the lies you’re peddling.
I am a Pre-triber too but I recently learned how unchristian it is to holler at another believer in an email. I have a friend who is a pre-wrather (yes friend) he tends to offensively shut me down (pre-wrath is the only way it can be). The best way i find to overcome the argument is to prove to yourself your pre-trib position. (search the scriptures) study the parables, Matt 21:31 Jesus says in the parable of the two sons “the prostitutes & tax collectors will certainly enter the kingdom Ahead of you”. another parable He says the 1st will be last and the last will be 1st. chapt. 23 Jesus says “Those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted” Study Daniel 4-12 in Daniel 11:25-35 in correlation to chapt 12. Pay close attention to these phrases (“The time of the end”, “An end”, “At that time”, “Abolish the daily sacrifice” and “abomination that causes desolation”.) Then chapt 12 starts out; “At that time Micheal the great prince will arise there will be {DISTRESS} such as has not been sense the beginning of Nations until that time”(It says the same thing in matt. 24:21) When you see that phrase, 2 things just happened, the beginning of the tribulation and the snatching away of the one group called the Elect.
Good post, check here: http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.htm
This was a heartfelt post and is unworthy of ignorant comments. It did give me food for thought. However – 1) if we all go through Great Tribulation and are translated at his Second Coming, who is left to live as non translated beings on the earth to populate earth another thousand years? 2) Why are the seven lampstands (7 churches) already visible to John in heaven? 3)Why has he prepared mansions (homes for us) when at his Second Coming, there is a NEW heaven and a new earth? 4) what about imminence (happen at any time, nothing need precede it) the only way for the rapture to be truly imminent is to have it transpire before the tribulation. If the Church were required to wait until after the manifestation of certain events, then there would be no doctrine of imminency (signless). 5) First thing before war, you call your ambassadors home. 6) Why is there no more instruction given to the Church after Rev.3? 7) Why does Rev 3:10 state “Because you have kept my perseverance, I will KEEP you from “the hour of testing” that hour that is about to come into the WHOLE world of THOSE who dwell on earth”, this verse, in my eyes, disputes your belief that we will be protected through the Tribulation. 8) Why are we never told by God how to “endure” “survive” through Trib? 9)Rev 5 presents the plan for the Trib judgement as contained in the, yet unopened, scroll (Rev6) so why do the 24 Elders wear gold crowns of reward already? 10) Regarding your point about this belief stops me from “bothering”, on the contrary, BECAUSE I know my Lord’s return could be at ANY TIME, it makes me live for him like he could come tomorrow. I would genuinely love to hear your response to these points. God Bless
Lies are lies. I’m sure a lot of people find the devil heartfelt, while he’s mixing a sugary poison that misleads and tears down truth. It matters not whether it is Satan himself or an ignorant stooge of Satan.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
The only ignorance is that ignorance which denies and condones denial of the true gospel. If it’s not truth, it’s deception. I have NO praise for any deceiver, and neither does the word of God, rather the word of God extremely harsh rebuke and condemnation of such.
Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
All liars!
If you are a Christian, you sure don’t sound like one. I see no “cowardice, unbelief, abomination, murder, sexually immoral sorcerer or idolater. It’s this person’s belief, just like we have ours. How does telling us there is no pre-trib rapture deceive you, we all interpret the Bible our own way. I could attempt to understand if he were blaspheming our Lord, he wasn’t. Your “true” gospel is his “true” gospel and to say “If it’s not truth, it’s deception”, who are you to say what God would rebuke. Here’s your verse:- “Behold, whoever confesses me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven” or how about “If you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses”.
He’s deceiving people, simple as that. I don’t do endless bickering. If he’s your buddy, this is not my problem. He’s a liar, and a heinous liar, this so very obvious, and I have called him out. If you can’t stand rebuke, then continue to ignore the many, many verses that describe the seriousness of a deceiving gospel. Whether I “sound like” a Christian to you means absolutely nothing. I do not answer to you, I’m here to inform you. Here ends the discussion.
In your own words, not those of Rapture Ready, give us your proof of a PreTribulation rapture.
For that matter, tell me where Scripture mentions seven years of tribulation. My Bible says the saints will be worn down for a time, times and half a time, the Holy City will be trampled fro 1260 days, and the beast will reign for 42 months. And remember, there is no “tribulation” mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9.
i have questions too.. I do know one thing… there are 7 trumpets mentioned during the tribulation in the bible.. and on the 7th trumpet.. HE comes back. I take that as we will be here. during the trib. Also in scripture it says that we should pray that we are counted worthy to escape all things. Now does it mean that it’s talking about the rapture? That I don’t think so.. i think it simply means that we avoid the bowls of wrath that he will be dishing out to those who have denied him. I know one thing, We need to get our lives ready now because we don’t know exactly when he will be coming back. something else that grabbed my attention in the bible.. is that there were white robes and crowns for those who came out of the tribulation..I personally believe that we will be here for the trib..
There are two groups of people Israelites and Gentiles. Those that have believed Paul’s Gospel – both Jew and gentile are in the Body of Christ and will be translated on the Day of the Lord at His appearing. Jews that are surviving that are believing the gospel of the circumcision Gal. 2:7 will remain on earth to perform the Great Commission. The expectation of the Jews is to inherit the earth believers in Christ will be snatched away, their expectation is in the heavenlys.
Give me a verse in the Bible that says the Jews that are surviving will remain on earth to perform the Great Commission. Nowhere in Scripture are the 144,000 called evangelists, nor is it implied that they are. And there is ONE GOSPEL by which man can be saved.
Nowhere in the Bible is the so called secret rapture mentioned.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/rapt2.htm
Great piece. I wrote some thoughts on the subject.
http://newlifedevelopmentcenter.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/is-satan-ushering-in-the-greatest-falling-away-from-the-church-in-history/
Tell me this. Why is it that so people in America believe that we are so good that we won’t go through the great tribulation. There are 1000′s of christian around the world being butiered. Where is their rapture? I believe this is agood article. People should be prepared for anything that comes at them. Jesus said himself that so as he was persecuted, we will be persecuted. The world will hate us, as they hated him. We all need to feed our spirit with the WORD OF GOD. Put on the full armor of God. It doesn’t matter when he comes to gather us for the harvest, but to continue to spread his Word. Save souls!
Well done The Pre-trib rapture theory is indeed one of many lies hat the so-called church
has accepted in their blind and deaf state.
You may enjoy this series on the 1000 reign?
Blessings
http://destinedtoberevealed.com/category/thousand-year-reign/
I agree with most of what you say except that the “Seventh Trumpet” is the “Last Trumpet.” The Last Trumpet is the one found in Joel 2:1 that announces the Day of the Lord “…at His presence…” 1 Thess. 4:15-16 that occurs before His wrath begins. Read the chronology of events again in Mt. 24:29 – that matches Is. 13:10, Joel 2:1, Zeph. 1:14, 1 Thess. 4:15-17, 2 Thess. 2:1-3, and Rev. 6:12-17. The seven trumpets are part of His wrath and begin after the last trumpet has sounded. Christ has already come at the Day of the Lord at the opening of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 prior to the first trumpet being sounded following the opening of the seventh seal in Rev. 8:1, so the last trumpet can’t be the one that heralds his return.
So what you are saying is that the first trumpet is actually the last trumpet? The book of Revelation is not chronological, but rather recapitulatory. The wrath of God poured out during the darkness of the Sixth Seal is the same wrath of God poured out in the Seven Bowls. The Trumpets are blown during the interlude between the Sixth and Seventh Seal. The Bowls are poured out between the Sixth and Seventh Bowls. The resurrection and rapture happens at the Seventh Trumpet, which as previously stated is between the Sixth and Seventh Seal. That is why the 144,000 are seen saved, and the great multitude is seen resurrected during this interlude.
The Day of the Lord begins with the Bowls. It is at this point that men hide among the rocks, hiding is fear from the wrath of God.
This is the chronology:
1) Persecution, deception, apostasy.
2) Revelation of the man of sin,
3) Great Tribulation (1260 days)
4) Sixth Seal (lasting for an unknown period of time, making the resurrection/rapture an unknown day)
5) Gathering of the Elect
6) Day of the Lord and pouring out of wrath.
The Seven Seals and the Seven Trumpets are not part of God’s wrath. The Seals are Satan’s wrath against mankind. The Trumpets are judgments meant to bring repentance on those who are taken captive by sin, the world, and Satan. God does not pour out His wrath on anyone unless there is no chance of repentance. God waited patiently through ten plagues for Pharaoh to repent. It wasn’t until Pharaoh finally hardened his heart that God “gave him over” to his own rebellion. He then rescued His people and destroyed Pharaoh and his armies in the Sea. The Trumpet judgments are meant to bring repentance. When there is no longer any chance that anyone will repent, God will then rescue His people as He pours out His Bowls of Wrath. God rescued Noah on the same day the rains fell. God rescued Lot on the same day the fire consumed Sodom. God rescued Rahab on the same day the wall crumbled. God will destroy Babylon the Great on the same day the Church is resurrected/raptured.
I hope the following stay lined up after submitting.
Seal 1234 5 6 7
Trumpets 1234 5 6 7
Bowls 1234 5 6 7
They didn’t.
If it’s any consolation I believe this. I was not always a Christian, and long before I was saved I died and was taken to heaven. What I saw then, before I was sent back… I saw again after I was saved – in the book of revelation. A great multitude no one could number.. I saw it, I was there. .and I was one of them. Then, after I was saved, I had a dream.. in the dream I saw my death, I saw myself speaking to a crowd of people about Jesus, and they were angry and attacked me, were dragging me away and I was overwhelmed… I prayed for it to either not hurt when they killed me or for God to shut my mouth so that I could not cry out.. then I woke up..
If my dream and my vision of heaven are true… then I will go through tribulation and be one of those killed during it. I have no reason to doubt either one.. and since I am Christian now, before tribulation, then it stands to reason your interpretation is at least mostly correct.
God bless you.. and yes, what you are saying is very important.
Be careful now your speaking against the rapture 3 category’s of the rapture/that uses 2 steps= 1.quickened spirit 2.body or corpse
PRE-TRIB, PRE-WRATH, PRE-LAW, RAPTURE ANY SECOND- our gospel of peace in Jesus Christ has already been preached to the whole world- we can leave in twinkling of an eye- 100 % justified and spotless
5 priesthoods with rapture bride in each one with 2 different sects in each one boiled down to
2 families that will be taken into heaven
I am only going to tell you a little bit of the ministers of Christ mystery’s, and stewards of God’s gospel of Peace the ministry of the reconciliation, so many mystery’s. Who but God can list them all , so just plunge into the pool.
God winked at Temple Jews and Peters Messianic 4 gospels with Gentile proselytes with milk law of abolished Moses/Agar bondage woman God got tired of it made them (Peter) the withered fig tree and gave the light to Paul and His Gentile rapture brides mystery wife of Christ we are His hidden cross rewards people.
By grace by faith= NO LAW! we are not under the Moses/Agar the bondage woman we are not sin preachers of the MILK LAW
(we get rewards only! (not cursed with 7 years of “wrath and tribulation under the law against Jerusalem” we do not pay the blood price “NO BLOOD ON OUR HEAD’S” we caste out the bondage woman Peter didnt and was punished-no light to his priesthood -darklight, he gave his flock to Paul . PAUL the 3rd and last man in the bible to have light from Lord Jesus)
NOT NOT PETER. PETER paid a horrifying price no light for the 4 gospel’s its all darklight Hebrews 6:1-8 REPENTING BAPTIZE TARES
Father made Peter perform the law of the good shepherd and give his darklight withered fig tree to PAUL
John 4 Lord Jesus gives the world to His God to worship His Father
Father God is in charge now ‘
The Son changes not BUT Father changed it all !!
Psalm 110:110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
1st thing Father did was to go after Peter and the law anyone that didn’t caste out the bondage law woman (suffers loss and the blood was put upon their head – they must pay the 7 years blood price) he made it all a dung heap its all loss wood hay stubble tare’s to be burned
Galatians 4:30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Those that squeeze into heaven (God will not allow any law into heaven)there is no law in heaven it’s all grace- God at the great white throne Moses /Agar your accuser God will have to save you by grace anyway ( he cant have anyone saying they worked their way into heaven-never! that would be an antichrist spirit your telling Father, Christ cross wasn’t good enough He couldn’t get it done WHAT! never.
remember there was only 120 in the upper room at end of Peters priesthood Father God did a beat down on 4 gospels
the Catholic’s went out into the bone yard like dead evil things necromancer’s and dug up those dead familiar spirit’s/dead works tare’s Hebrews 6:1-8 and feast on them. (false prophet’s book of Daniel’s old holy roman empire statue iron and muslim clay in toes )
some of these delusional will be shameful bastard’s forever in heaven that beat the blood price – nobody want’s that
Hebrews 12:8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
pre-trib pre-wrath pre-law 100% saved Father gave His Son Gospel of Peace 1 corin 15:1-58 raptured in twinkling of an eye
Romans 15:19Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
Romans 2:19And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
we left the withered law fig tree’s Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
BEWARE
Don’t you dare ever bring up the past(only a dammed lost blinded from heaven Hebrews 6:1-8 tares church unbelieving demon from hell sin preacher will whip and beat with preaching grace love then kick your face in.Then they want to put you back under law bondage works Peter curses them as TWISTER’S cursed dammed forever (leave/your in wrong church) (God wiped it/ you wipe it out of your mind forever) walk on into liberty with joy everlasting joy renewed every morning by the blood.
2 Peter 1:9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
We the hidden gentile rapture bride of Christ His reward only cross people quickened spirit 1stfruits churches Acts9 to Hebrews
are not in Peters 7 Jewish Messianic with Gentile proselytes 4 gospel sin milk works repenter churches(those have angel trumpets were not under the law)
We have nothing to do with the angel trumpets(these are not royal family trumpets of God) upon the dark light 4 gospel Messianic with Gentile proselyte saints 7 churches book of Revelations
Royal family hidden goads rapture bride mystery wife of Christ under grace/some under the law like Peter found grace untill it was abolished(witherd fig tree~no fruit) – we’re not under abolished Moses/Agar sin preaching milk vain laws.
The hidden goads (tents of Judah saved first) mystery-secret rapture bride wife of Christ is called by a royal family rewards only trumpet of God by an archangel. This one is a different trumpet used only for royal family in book of Revelations other sheep BUT not the 7 church trumpets used in book of Revelations for the main flock is wrath judgment.
Hebrews 6:1-8 tares churches dead works of baptizers repenters renewers rededicates tithers cant leave in twinkling of an eye (no way they cant do it fast enough)
Hebrews 12:8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
94,000 churches say their christian, tares church on every corner across the world, beating whipping your face with goat milk sin fire brimstone ( sitting in there are a few real hidden rapture bride of Christ a sect of Christians with grace faith saying -i am here cause there is no other place to go they get beaten down with sin preaching.Then the bastard saints sitting in there dishing out their sin milk whippings.
Those under the law Hebrews 6:1-8 tares goat milk churches,synagogues of satan, good people, unbelievers, and flat out hellions,and hells attention time wasters holier than thou,crafty.
Those under the law withered as the fig tree -no fruit 1.Temple Jews with Gentile proselytes and
2. Peters 4 milk law gospels (were banned to stay in Jerusalem until all Jews were Messianic then the could go to Gentiles to make proselytes in 4 corners of the earth)
Galatians 4:23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
darklight abolished Moses/Agar flesh law milk saints Peter’s and temple Jews attacked Paul’s Gentile mystery rapture bride of Christ churches under grace by faith to faith + no law works with love (the light was only given to Paul NOT PETER he lost his priesthood it withered down to 120 ~ no fruit !!
Christ killed milk law Matthew 21:19And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
dont let any lying devil put you back under law of Sabbaths Colossians 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
dont let any devil put you back under repenting baptize tithing milk lawGal5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewithChristhath made us free,and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
christian SECT does not repent/not under law under grace faith of no law no sin 2 Corin7:10For godlysorrow worketh repentance to salvationnot to berepented of:but the sorrowof the world worketh death.
christian SECT does not repentHeb12:17 For ye knowhow thatafterward,when hewould have inherited the blessing,he was rejected:for hefound noplace of repentance,though he sought it carefullywith tears.
christian SECT does not repent/not under law under grace faith of no law no sin
2 Timothy 2:25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
Christians don’t repent were under grace =NO milk law-no sin we have nothing to repent for. Hebrews 6:1-8 only tares repent Rom11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
everything behind Paul he is 3rd man to be light in the bible) is withered only for learning even Peter lost everything (he attacked Pauls mystery wife of Christ)as did Temple Jews withed fig trees
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
–There’s a reason your not seeing the Rapture gospel of Peace or the hidden rapture bride of Christ from Genesis to Revelations–
there’s a reason why you cant see the rapture from Genesis to Revelations 2 Cor3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;which vail is done away in Christ.
you need to follow Paul to Christ so you can see you are 100% saved sealed justified sanctified (Peter never had this and Father would not give Peters saints the light- they don’t clearly see what they shall be 100% they don’t see the white millstones of shame for ever they don’t see the name bastards- risen Lord Jesus has to do more for them -he extends grace so they can get in but with loss as darklight.
Risen Lord God Jesus and His hidden goads rapture rewards people of the cross bride wife will shine with our glory forever BUT those with white millstones of shame will only be able to reflect the candles they will have their own reflected glory but not the Shekinah Glory of the royal family with royal crowns risen Lord Jesus my Christ Lord & Savior and His royal family of hidden mystery rapture brides hidden in Him hidden in Lord God Father, abba.
Luke 11:35Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Romans 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
2 Peter 1:9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
John 12:40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Romans 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
2 Corinthians 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Ephesians 4:18Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
1 John 2:11But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
Psalm 83:3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2 Corinthians 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2 Corinthians 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
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Some of peters flock is in the tares church will be Son’s of God- but their not exactly seeing the white millstones of shame forever(they refused to caste out Mose/Agar the bondage woman Father demands Jesus put a yoke of white millstones of shame suffering on them so they are kinda maybe 100% saved ~the 12 have been veiled so they don’t see this clearly (2 family’s saints in heaven)
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
All under the MILK LAW there is a reason why Father God loves them BUT they only get 1 promise they don’t clearly see there judgement of loss- its loving pot luck chicken dinners sin whipping happy Labradors
John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
All of Paul’s flock 100% quickened spirits
Romans 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Our secret gospel of peace isn’t about sin we don’t get chain’s and beat your face in with abolished Moses/Agar bondage milk of goats vain flesh law sin preaching old time( fire &brimstone.)
Were the other sheep under grace faith-where there is grace there is no sin were at peace from sin works to get into heaven and stay in heaven that’s the abolished main flock_ were the other sheep flock- wise hidden goads saint’s-non repenting baptizing tithing goat milk we stand in liberty justified sanctified we leave in an instant.
Only we to get (1 judgement there is only 1 book opened against us) we get Jesus judgement (which is rewards only at judgement bema seat) then we whip our accuser satan and he falls to earth then we come back to make war on earth against him in book of Revelations
I love this picture of the rapture judgement satan and risen Lord God Jesus at the bema seat only 1 book is opened against us let’s hear some love here the mystery rapture bride of Christ prevails again satan a defeated foe; from this translation
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)2 Corinthians 6:9unknown and famous. And we commend ourselves as God’s workers headed for death, yet look! we’re alive! as punished, yet not killed;
Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
other sheep-wise hidden rapture bride of Christ His rewards mystery wife saint’s-Peters sheep saints main sin bondage flock(Acts 2 repent be baptized goat milk was abolished)everybody was pressed into grace =(no law no sin) Paul’s Gentile rapture churches
John 10:16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
1st you fill up Christ’s hidden rapture kingdom then its given to Fathers kingdom
everybody is pressed into the rapture into Christ heavenly kingdom that will be given to Fathers kingdom as death is swallowed up in victory
Luke 16:16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Ephesians 5:5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
2 Corinthians 3:14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Hebrews 7:12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Ephesians 3:4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
1 Timothy 3:9Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1 Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colossians 1:27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Colossians 4:3Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:
Romans 15:19Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
PRE-TRIB PRE-WRATH RAPTURE ANY SECOND ,PLAN , way,by his 39 stripes=fellowship in Christ, ministry,Father’s vineyard labors, the wise hidden rapture bride wife of Christ – his cross reward people, stewards that have many keys and the rapture key as stewards of the mystery’s of light to the door of house House of David.
Acts 14:27And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
1 Corinthians 16:9For a great door and effectual is opened unto me,and there are many adversaries.
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1 of the BIG rapture mystery’s- that not many can teach or preach since Paul
((((((Galatians 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.)))))
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1 Corinthians 7:22For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ’s servant.
The aborted murdered babies
Romans 9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Be very careful of theologians and apologist’s- puffy holy men tinkling cymbals beating whipping the church with their abolished Moses/Agar goat milk vain flesh law sin milk preaching intellect big brains – God say’s they can be called into the Gospel of Peace also no reason they cant be saved (if they have the faith of a child-you can be saved.)
1 Corinthians 8:1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Colossians 3:14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
You cannot mix Peter law milk into Paul’s by grace by faith to faith + (nothing no works ~but Gods will good works for rewards only) with love=charity
(((Rapture brides the churches don’t preach this – why?- because there not quickened spirit rapture saved unto peace (Peter calls them twisters)- but we as individuals are very exclusive called to peace))) flee that church
Timothy 2:22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
1 Timothy 1:5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Jude a rapture bride called to peace :flee that church-be careful what church you sit in – preachers you listen to, what you read!
Jude 1:12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
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1.Temple Jews with Gentile proselytes (alter,animal blood,using abolished Moses /Agar sin flesh works of bondage milk of goats
2. Peters Messianic Jews with Gentile proselytes (no alter,no animal blood-Jesus blood,BUT still using abolished Moses /Agar sin flesh works of bondage milk of goats/7 churches of Revelations
3. Saul to Paul Acts9 to Hebrews Gentile rapture bride churches of 1stfruits
Hebrews 4:2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Genesis 19:11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
You will see in each of the priesthoods there are wise rapture brides From Adam to Paul 2 Peter 1:10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Romans 11:5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Romans 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Romans 11:28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.
—-The wise hidden rapture gospel of peace has many names, in the church of the quickened spirit of the 1st born of Elam ———
My gospel, that gospel, no other gospel,
Gospel according to the revelation of the mystery,
Pauline gospel of wise hidden rapture bride of Christ our christian sect,
The gospel of peace of the mystery of godliness
The gospel of the mystery among the Gentiles
The gospel of his Son the prince of peace
The gospel of peace of the 1st born 1stfruits wise hidden wife of Christ, made quickened spirit Elamit’s of 1,000 year earth kingdom then given up to Fathers heavenly kingdom as victory over death =is killed off.)
The gospel of peace of 1st fruit quickened spirit’s of the hidden wife of Christ the 1st quickened spirit 1st fruits of Elam.
Mystery of the royal family rewards only bema seat 1 judgement trump of God used only by an archangel of God VERS
the 7 angel trumps of tribulation and wrath many books judgement’s
Mystery of the royal family rewards only bema seat 1 judgement trump of God used only by an archangel VERS the 7 angel trumps of tribulation & wrath many books judgement’s – “2 family’s of saints”
WHAT?? How did we end up in book of Revelations-no rapture of the wise goads,of Elam???) WHAT??
The gospel of peace of 1st fruit quickened spirit’s of the hidden wife of Christ preach water of life freely
Mystery wife of Christ royal family rewards only bema seat trumpet used only by a archangel for the trump of God (royal family saints tents of Judah saved 1st) VERS 7 angel trumpets of wrath only, both in are in book of Revelations main flock saints notice John is not called into the royal family by their trumpet of God.
Romans 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
our rapture faith (we stand in Gospel of peace by grace by faith to faith + no works with love = no law no sin) we caste out Moses Agar goat milk sin preaching declaring liberty from the other priesthoods that preach abolished Acts 2 Peters 4 Messianic gospels with Gentile proselyte’s law repent and baptize tithing bondage even the from Temple law Jews with Gentile proselyte’s .
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Romans 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
2 Timothy 2:8Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
1 Corinthians 11:1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Philippians 3:17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
1 Corinthians 2:7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Ephesians 1:9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Ephesians 5:32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Colossians 1:26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
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Hebrews 12:14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
1 Thessalonians 5:15See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Romans 1:9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
1 Timothy 6:11But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
Romans 16:25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Were you called to the gospel of Peace- there is only 1 in the bible-Paul’s
1 Corinthians 15:1-5 5-58 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
2 Corinthians 11:7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
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Job 24:18 He is swift as the waters; their portion is cursed in the earth: he beholdeth not the way of the vineyards.
Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
If you can count to 2 you can learn the bible anew! so many mystery’s so little time
5 priesthoods rendered into 2 with a caste system of priesthoods with a system within each
2 sects, Nazarene milk, and the hidden wise rapture bride goads christian sect Acts9 to Hebrews
2 ways, abolished Moses/Agar goat milk law gospel-grace gospels = 2
2 families in heaven – all Jews in a caste system, the natural law Jew and Gentile grace transformed into quickened spirit new Jews (inner man)
Jeremiah 33:24
Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them
Mystery of 2 stick’s
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((((2 accusers in the bible)))-wise hidden rapture brides wise are as goads can preach that one
wise quickened spirit of the hidden rapture bride are already translated into (Christ’s kingdom in heaven-seated in him)we say satan at bema seat but we didnt see Moses(were not foolish bastards were under grace not Moses/Agar sin flesh vain law.
2 accusers for 2 families of saints Revelation 12:10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
John 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Moses accuses the Hebrews 6:1-8 tares milk law repent saints that no man can do John5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you,even Moses,in whom ye trust.
Don’t follow Jesus follow Paul (Father gave the light to Paul to Jesus (3rd man ever to have light in bible not Peter =withered fig tree) 1 Cor11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
five were foolish
Luke 13:28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
John 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
2 types of saint’s with 2 different accusers: satan for the wise hidden rapture bride wife of Christ, Moses/Agar law goat milk sin bondage for the foolish bastards darklight great white throne repenting baptize renew rededicate white mill stones watch men on the wall-fishing and wishing playing dice in a dark alley hoping to get into heaven
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wise hidden rapture saints – foolish bastards saints
2 Corinthians 3:14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
wise hidden rapture wife of Christ by gospel of peace saints by grace by faith to faith + no works with charity=love vers: foolish abolished Moses/Agar sin law preachers bastards white-stone watchmen on the wall repenters baptizer’s saints of Hebrews 6:1-8 tares churches synagogues of satan
Hebrews 4:2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
2 kingdoms- Christ’s rapture bride translated into kingdom of Christ-filled first, then given to Fathers kingdom of God
Nobody goes into heaven unless they are a new inward man (a new quickened spirit Jew)-there are no Gentiles in heaven
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Christ’s hidden rapture wife bride-church kingdom filled first, then given to His God- His Christ- His Fathers kingdom of God as death is killed off /we don’t stay on this earth
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
5 wise virgin’s raptured 100% saved, 5 foolish virgin’s are darklight the rapture door is closed we’re in marriage bed with Christ, the foolish have to roll dice go to the great white throne maybe get in they sit in land on ohno
Psalm 68:6God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.
the wise’s quickened spirit of the hidden rapture bride are already translated into (Christ’s kingdom in heaven-seated in him) by the great rapture door( 2 step process)
#1. By grace by faith to faith + no works with love by gospel of peace Christ kingdom gets your quickened spirit
Angel of the Lord takes us safely through the valley of shadow of death. WHAT?? yep that’s what happens.
rapture step #2.The corpse-flesh body is loving his appearing in the clouds it’s our adoption (wise~ we get double)
foolish bastards dark-light saint’s if they get into heaven white-millstones of shame forever they are (forced by Father will using holy ghost and angels to physically make them boiw ) Father say’s saved saints but dumb bastards but He still loves them BUT they will be made to bow to the wise goads the hidden Elam wise rapture brides forever (King David’s seed the royal house of faith with many thrones .)
Gives new wise vessel of honor rapture bride quickened spirit way of looking at Joseph and his dream of them (his foolish brothers bowing to him by spirit of the world vessels of dishonor- we must longsuffer)
Matthew 25:2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matthew 25:4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Romans 9:23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Romans 9:22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
2 Timothy 2:20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
Ephesians 3:14-16King James Version (KJV)
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Jeremiah 33:24
Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them
The foolish saints (Father loves but calls sin law preachers dumb bastards laden with shame white mill stones forever)t hey didn’t have the rapture “oil of faith” of pre law pre gospel pre-tribulation pre wrath Abraham the wise 1stfruits church of 1stborn (Elam)- hidden wise quickened spirit of church of 1stfruits rapture bride wife of Christ
Matthew 25:8And the foolish said unto the wise,Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
the main flock of saints abolished Moses/Agar foolish law goat milk sin flesh bondage sin works great white throne many books opened-some will have book of life
John 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Ecclesiastes 12:11The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 8:32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
These are rapture verses:I think the prosperity preachers got a little mixed up they thought a great transfer was to go in “their pockets” (that’s not what Father is saying: don’t you think so
1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Revelation 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
wise are as goads (you can tell who is a rapture bride is -after all we are to mark one another)2 Corinthians 11:7
Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
1 Corinthians 3:10
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
Hosea 14:4I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
wise quickened spirit of the hidden rapture bride are already translated into (Christ’s kingdom in heaven-seated in him)we say satan at bema seat but we didnt see Moses(were not foolish bastards were under grace not Moses/Agar sin flesh vain law.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
five were foolish
Luke 13:28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
the main flock of saints abolished Moses/Agar foolish law goat milk sin flesh bondage sin works great white throne many books opened-some will have book of life
John 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Luke 9:62And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
He is talking about Israel-Jerusalem Nahum 3:4
Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
Jeremiah 3:14Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
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