How the CHRISTMAS Event Went Down Some 2000 Years Ago.
How the CHRISTMAS event went down some 2000 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_wFDaqueg
The Babe was born in Bethlehem wrapped in swaddling clothes in a manger because there was no room at the inn! That humble child/King was born unto us in the City of David, the promised Savior of all mankind, Christ the Lord, our God with us, Immanuel! Amen!
Without the Savior born in Bethlehem, grace and peace between us and God would not be possible! So praise be unto the One who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb! Hallelujah! Thank you Father! Thank Jesus, God with us, Immanuel! You will dwell within us forever and ever! Amen! Hallelujah forever! Worthy is the Lamb who was slain (see REV 5:12)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU
The angels sang glory to God in the highest that first Noel O what joy to the world! O what a holy night! Hark the angels we have heard on high! Proclaiming good tidings and great joy which shall be to all people! Amen! Hallelujah!
When the angel Gabriel told Mary that the Holy Spirit would come upon her and overshadow her, resulting in our Savior’s holy birth, here’s what happened behind the scenes so to speak, that first Christmas morn:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (see John 1). So Jesus (the Word) existed before all things and all things were created by Him and for Him (see Colossians 1:16).
God’s plan of salvation for the whole world was to send the Word as flesh amongst men. So He came to us as the Babe born in Bethlehem. In order to be a faithful and merciful high priest for men, the Word had to come and share in our humanity and become flesh and blood like us (see chapter 2 of Hebrews).
Concerning this plan/salvation of God, it says in Hebrews:
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
—Hebrews 10:5-7
When the angel Gabriel told Mary she was highly favored because God had chosen her to bear His Son, it was in the womb of Mary that the body spoken of in Hebrews 10:5 above was prepared for, where the Immaculate Conception took place and the Word became flesh. Jesus emptied Himself of His Godhood, if you will, His omnipresence, omniscience, etc., and entered the body prepared for Him in the womb of Mary. Jesus humbled Himself and entered into the world not in a palace but in a manger. The Child King grew and learned to be obedient to God. He is our model. We are to emulate Him and become mature and obtain the full measure of the fullness of Christ.
Jesus is now our faithful and merciful high priest because of what went down that first Christmas morn. And anyone and everyone who comes to God through Jesus can obtain peace and grace and good will from God! Amen! Hallelujah forever!
If you have not made Jesus the Lord and Savior of your life, then let not this Christmas season be not only about the birth of the Babe in Bethlehem but let it be about the rebirth your soul so that you may pass from death to everlasting life amen!
Come to Jesus while you still can! Seek the Savior of all mankind with your whole heart and you will find Him!
Here is why anyone and everyone should want to belong to the Lamb of God and why the message from the angels proclaiming that unto us was born that first Christmas morn in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord, is so important to all mankind:
God is a holy God. And God is a consuming fire. Those two things go together. Sin is consumed in the fire in God’s holy presence. And so on the Day of Judgment, God’s presence will burn up all that are unholy and unrighteous. And everyone of their own accord is unholy and unrighteous. None of us are perfect and righteous and holy. Our “good works” are nothing but filthy rags in the sight of a perfect and holy God (see Isaiah 64:6). Sin separates men from God. So men who rest on their own merits cannot exist in the presence of a holy God without being consumed in the fire on the Day of Judgment. But the GOOD NEWS is this: we have a mediator for us between us and God. His name is Jesus, the High Priest that meets our needs, the Babe born in Bethlehem that came to save us all hallelujah! For all those that accept Jesus, the Lamb of God, as the sacrifice for their sins and makes Him their Lord and Savior, they, in effect, “put on” the righteousness and holiness of Jesus Christ. So when God looks at them, He sees not their own righteous (or lack thereof) or holiness (or lack thereof), but He see the perfect holiness and righteousness of Jesus Christ. And such a person will be able to stand in the presence of God on the Day of Judgment without being consumed in the burning fire.
So let us not forget Jesus is the reason for the season and you don’t want to proceed to Judgment Day without Jesus on your side, or rather, on your inside, for Jesus is Immanuel God with us! Hallelujah forever and ever! Amen!
That’s why it was so important for all mankind in that momentous and merry Christmas event that went down some 2000 years ago, for ho ho holy is the LORD of Hosts, and He is a consuming fire (see last verse of CHP 12 in HEB) and sin gets burned up in His holy presence!
So seek ye this free gift of grace that is available to one and all through the Savior of all mankind, the Babe born in a manger some 2000 years ago!
Merry Christmas to one and all blessed are those whom God keeps no record of their wrongs because of that Blessed Event some 2000 years ago! Amen! Hallelujah! Worthy is the Lamb who was slain hallelujah!
The Babe born in Bethlehem, the Savior of all mankind, that’s my King, do you know Him?
I said, He’s my King, I wonder do you know Him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqTFNfeDnE
THAT’S MY KING!
GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST! AND ON EARTH, PEACE AND GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN FROM GOD AMEN HALLELUJAH FOREVER AND EVER! IMMANUEL!
LUKE CHAPTER 2, KING JAMES VERSION:
1And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
3And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
15And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
16And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
17And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.
18And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.
20And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
21And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
—LUKE CHAPTER 2
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israel of the bible is not the stolen abomination of today`s israel. i love jesus and all god`s prophets and i can tell you this much……jesus never tried to tell anyone they were worthless, dirty, lowly sinners who are going to hell unless we do a , b , and c and say this and say that. the righteous of heart live forever. the liars, deceivers, fomenters of war and conflict, killers, pedophiles, rapists and thieves…..THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO WORRY.
I JUST DESCRIBED ISRAEL, HMMMM, INTERESTING.
christians are wising up to your little tricks, there.
So, what does your irrelevant rant have to do with the price of coffee?
Absolutely nothing.
Likewise, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Christmas event I described.
…..quit fighting you two! can’t we all just get along?…..
….123 I’ve got some more “theories” I’m gonna slide past you….
@ Max Jones
Mattew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
AM 123 you really should know that Christmas (CHRIST’S MASS) is a fake. There is info by the bucket load on the interwebs that proves Christmas is a fraud and a lie. Yashua Messiah was born in September – Period.
Even I have written a clear and concise article on it:
http://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/the-heathen-satanic-origins-of-christmas-christs-mass/
It’s time you repented of this Saturnalia garbage.
I know what I have called the Christmas event was not faked. The Savior was born in Bethlehem. The important thing is the Word became flesh.
It is faked if you claim it was on the 25th December – The Feast of Sol Invictus. Just like your Good Friday to Sunday Morning Easter crap you make Yashua Messiah out to be a deceiver and a liar.
Now repent you blasphemer.
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Can you point out where I claimed it was on Dec. 25th?
No, you cannot.
And what is really funny
is someone who cannot even divide the Biblical meaning of the “third day” correctly and contradicts Jesus Himself about it is calling me a blasphemer. 
You’re calling it Christmas moron and that’s on the 25th December or have you conjured up another meaningless day for it?
Show me the word Christmas in the Holy Scriptures.
Show me where celebrations for His birth are commanded – that should be a humdinger stumbling block for a Pharisee commandment keeper like you. LOL
Show me the words Good Friday in the Holy Scriptures
Show me the word trinity in the Holy Scriptures.
Cannot divide the moron says. ROTFL
Here, rightly divide this:
Matthew 12:40 (KJV) For as Jonas was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
AM123 is a fully paid up member of the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion.
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You claim the 3 days and 3 nights are a full 72 hour period. To show everyone that you have failed miserably to divide the Word properly, let’s divide the Word right here and now for all to see:
Jesus told the disciples that He would be raised on the “third day”:
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.”
—Matthew 16:21
“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”
—Mark 9:31
“Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.”
—Luke 9:22
So now, according to the Word, here is the meaning of the “third day”:
10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
—Exodus 19:10-11
Notice the sequence described above. The LORD tells Moses to sanctify the people today and tomorrow and then on the third day, He would appear to them. This is not a 72 hour period. The LORD counted today as day 1, tomorrow as day 2, and the following day as day 3. In modern language, one would say the day after tomorrow.
Here is another example of what the “third day” means in Scripture:
5 And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will.
6 It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
—Leviticus 19:5-6
Again, we see in the above Scripture that the third day is the day after tomorrow.
And here is Jesus using the same terminology, where the third day means the day after tomorrow:
“And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.”
—Luke 13:32
So given that the “third day” means, in modern terminology, the day after tomorrow, then yes2bloviating’s timeline of the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection falls flat on its face.
Hey moron you’re creating a contradiction which you idiots do all the time:
Let me re-quote it for you:
Matthew 12:40 (KJV) For as Jonas was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
Now this is what YOU SHOUD BE DOING i.e. proving the above verse of prophecy was fulfilled AND YASHUA MESSIAH DIDN’T LIE.
Yashua Messiah died late in the afternoon and Joseph of Aremathea later, JUST EXACTLY AT SUNSET, laid Yashua Messiah in his tomb – the dead could not be handled on a Sabbath Day which THAT PASSOVER WEEK was a High Day Feast Day Sabbath Day as pointed out in John’s gospel.
John 19:31 (KJV The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (All caps emphasis mine)
Now counting from that sunset we have what we call today Tuesday all night (1 night) followed by all day Wednesday (1 day) followed by Wednesday all night (2 nights), followed by all day Thursday (2 days) followed by Thursday all night (3 nights) followed by all day Friday (3 days). At precisely at the setting of the sun on Friday before the weekly Sabbath commenced Yashua Messiah arose from the dead and left the sealed tomb without the sealed door being opened. THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS = 72 HOURS.
We also have the real reason for why Good Friday is named such because that was the day of His resurrection. NOT SUN WORSHIPPING Sunday.
This is what you should be saying rather than all your nonsensical BS about explaining Good Friday to Sunday moring BS – 48 hours at the most.
Your timeline is wrong by all accounts. If Jesus was crucified on a Tuesday like you claim, then using the Biblical meaning of the “third day”, He would have had to rise on Thursday, not on Friday like you claim. Not only is your application of the “third day” wrong, but you got the resurrection day wrong as well. You say it was Friday, but let’s divide the Word right here some more so everyone can see you’re wrong about this as well:
When the women from Galilee came to look for Jesus, they came on the first day of the week:
“Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.”
—Luke 24:1
Jesus had already told them that He would be crucified and would rise on the third day:
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
—Luke 24:6-7
So Jesus told them He would be crucified and rise on the third day. So why did the women from Galilee go looking for Jesus on the first day (Sunday)? Because that was the third day after the crucifixion:
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
—Luke 24:19-21
So they said Sunday was the third day since the crucifixion, which was on Friday.
So there you go. The nonsense you’re trying to peddle utterly fails when measure against the Word.
You said:
“So there you go. The nonsense you’re trying to peddle utterly fails when measure against the Word.”
Here is the WORD OF GOD:
Matthew 12:40 (KJV) For as Jonas was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
Are you saying that He did not mean 72 hrs i.e. three days and three nights? Are you saying that Jonah was NOT in the belly of the fish for 72 hrs – three days and three nights?
Anything YOU say i.e. falsely interpret other Scriptures as saying can only cause a contradiction – which you are doing.
I cannot believe I am having this conversation with someone who purports to be a rational thinking man. I believe it borders on a form of insanity.
In your geeky calculations, you assign EXACTLY 72 hours to the 3 days and 3 nights thing, which is absurd. At some point on the third day, that is when Jesus resurrected—not 72 hours like your legalistic chains that bind you demand. Your legalism and geekiness leads to silly semantics, i.e. at what point did Jesus resurrect, at 72:00:01? If so, wouldn’t that be on the 4th day according to your down-to-the-millisecond legalism? Look at this example from Esther:
Esther said in chapter 4 verse 16, fast for me for 3 days and 3 nights:
“Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.”
—Esther 4:16
And then it was ON THE THIRD DAY, Esther went before the king:
“Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house”
—Esther 5:1
So Esther said to fast for 3 days and 3 nights. That does not mean 3 twelve hour periods of daylight and 3 twelve hour periods of night because lo and behold, Ester went before the king on the THIRD DAY. Your chain-me-up-in-a-legalistic-box demands that they had to fast for a full 72 hours, not a second more and not one second less. But that is not what happened because lo and behold, the Bible deals with reality and not your theoretical, geeky, Biblically-unsound 72 hour timeline. Esther went before the king sometime on the third day, just like Jesus resurrected sometime on the third day.
You said:
“In your geeky calculations, you assign EXACTLY 72 hours to the 3 days and 3 nights thing, which is absurd.”
There is only one thing absurd here, your attempts at stating falsehoods as Truth.
In MY!! geeky calculations????? and those of a child of 9 or 10 who could tell you quite easily how many hours there are in the passing of three days and three nights i.e. 72 hours.
I will repeat, I cannot believe that this dialogue is taking place. 
What about Jonah, did he get vomited out ON the third day or was he in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights and THEN was vomitted out?
Jonah 1:17 (KJV) Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS.
Now Yashua Messiah USED this historical event to give to the unbelieving Pharisees a sign and you’re trying to tell us that He didn’t keep meticulously to that time schedule in order to prove His prophetic statement!!
Legalistic???????? There is nothing legalistic in The Truth – The Truth is The Truth and legalism cannot be applied to The Truth. Either you believe in The Truth or you believe in LIES – The Lies of the fabricated Good Friday sunset to some time UNKNOWN on a Sunday morning as 72 hours. Your efforts at trying to make this stick are beyond ludicrous.
You then said:
“At some point on the third day, that is when Jesus resurrected.”
But Scripture doesn’t say ON the third day it says THE third day He rose and in order for 72 hrs to have elapsed He must have arisen at the very end of that third day i.e. THE third day, not at sometime UNKNOWN ON the third day. An ANNO-SECOND after this it would have been the weekly Sabbath and the FOURTH DAY.
Matthew 20:19 (KJV) And shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify Him: and THE third day He shall rise again.
MarK 9:31 (KJV) For He taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill Him; and after that He is killed, He shall rise THE third day.
Luke 24:7 (KJV) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and THE third day rise again.
Acts 10:40 (KJV) Him God raised up THE third day, and shewed Him openly.
Just 4 verses of Scripture stating THE third day NOT sometime UNKNOWN ON the third day.
Now in order for a day to COUNT it must be completed other wise it cannot be counted as a day having elapsed or passed.
In Esther it says ON the third day, NOT THE third day:
Esther 5:1 (KJV) Now it came to pass ON the third day, that Esther etc. etc.
Re Esther fasting, she was obviously STILL fasting when she went before the king.
It’s now time for you to focus on The Truth instead of using obscure passages of irrelevant Scripture to try and prove the impossible.
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“But Scripture doesn’t say ON the third day it says THE third day He rose and in order for 72 hrs to have elapsed He must have arisen at the very end of that third day i.e. THE third day, not at sometime UNKNOWN ON the third day. An ANNO-SECOND after this it would have been the weekly Sabbath and the FOURTH DAY.”
Your scenario is laughingly absurd. You admit that if Jesus resurrected a nano-second after 72 hours, it would have been on the 4th day. So just when did Jesus resurrect? If it was a nano-second BEFORE the 72 hours you speak of, then it WOULDN’T have been a FULL 72 hours! So technically, it is impossible for the scenario to unfold in the way that you claim.
Let anyone and everyone search for “third day” in the Scriptures and they will see what the Biblical meaning is, that it means the day after tomorrow, and they will also see how the legalistic box you are entangled with causes you to espouse a ridiculously impossible scenario.
Now you’re behaving like a snake and a Pharisee because YOU know full well that a day ENDS at a certain time i.e. the last second of that day and THAT is when Yashua Messiah was resurrected and this was before the fourth day commenced. He rose the third day after three days and three nights had been completed.
YOU are absurd when YOU, in your dumb stiff necked blasphemous arrogance completely ignore Yashua Messiah’s words:
Matthew 12:40 (KJV) For as Jonas was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
And in so doing make Him out to be a liar
You also ignored my remarks about Jonah being in the the belly of the fish for three days and three nights who was not vomitted out until that length of time had elapsed.
You have no argument and to persist with your line of perverted thinking is beyond stupidity – a form of cognitive dissonance and insane denial.
So, for the record, please state the exact time you are claiming the resurrection took place. Did the sun dial read 12:00:00? Or 11:59:59? Or something else?
Sun dials???????
The resurrection took place exactly three days and three nights from the point in time Yashua Messiah was laid in His tomb – in the heart of the earth.
Jonah was vomitted out of the belly of the fish exactly at the time that three days and three nights had elapsed.
Are you questioning The Father’s ability at keeping time?
You speak of legalism and I would add gnat straining and you’re questioning a second in time? Unbelievable.
I don’t blame you for not answering the question because the dilemma in your unrealistic scenario is either the resurrection occurred on the 4th day or sometime prior to a complete 72 hours. But such is the tangled web of legalism you have weaved
You’re a satanic dissembling illegitimate, aren’t you? Or is it that you’re as dumb as the local village idiot?
So let me put it this way for your pea sized obtuse brain:
Yashua Messiah was in his tomb for exactly the same length of time that Jonah was in the fish’s belly.
Now you tell me how long Jonah was in the fish’s belly. Let’s hear it from the comedian?
….John,the baptist, was 6 months in the womb of his mother, Elizabeth She was Mother Mary’s cousin. The morning after the angel Gabriel, ‘visited’ Mary, and delivered the news of her immaculate conception, Mary ran over to Elisabeth’s home to tell her what had transpired. When she entered the room where Elisabeth was, Elisabeth’s fetus “leapt” in her womb. T
his the barebones story, but a little research gives us a couple facts that allow us to discern at what time of the year this took place. Mary’s and Elisabeth’s mothers were sisters, and of the tribe of Levi. Elisabeth’s husband was bound in the course of Abayah…One of the 24 courses that rotated throughout the year For Levitical priests…..This calculates the date of this meeting to be around the 23rd day of December(modern calender). Now count 9 months.
Very true max jones
This page has the details:
http://biblelight.net/sukkoth.htm
And Luke chapter 1 of course.
I know your hearts in the right place, brother am123, but here you go blindly following church dogma. Again! Do you have any passages in mind that describe the season in which Messiah Y’shua was born? Do you have any passages where the faithful were commanded to celebrate His birthday? I thought you didn’t like going outside what is written, that we should know.
Mayhem,
I do not know when Jesus was born. The important thing is the event that happened—the Word became flesh. The month and day is irrelevant. In the article, I trumpet the event, not December 25th. And on the day the Savior was born, the heavenly hosts celebrated the event and sang and praised God. I celebrate His birth and resurrection every day. I rejoice in Him every day.
What I am doing in the article is casting a net out to educate anyone and everyone about what really happened that day (whatever the date was) so they can make an informed decision should they wish to come to Messiah. We were commanded to make disciples. That begins with providing information to the ignorant (explaining the hope we have).
I could get all legalistic like yes2bloviating and make a case for the birth being in September or whenever, but if I trumpeted the birth event then, that would be less of an impact for like or not, we are now in the season that western civilization celebrates His birth. There may be someone out there whose curiosity may just be ripe for the picking in the days and weeks ahead and may actually read what I have written and get a better understanding of what it’s all about. That was my motivation. Would the Father would turn someone away just because we are in the Christmas season? I’m not going to let legalism get in the way of explaining the birth of the Savior at the best time of the year to do so when I can get the most bang for my buck.
I don’t expect you to agree or disagree, I’m just explaining my motivation and reasoning.
So we agree? There is no Scriptural authority for Messian’s birth date or for celebrating his birth at all. This then makes christmas celebrations the works of men, pagan men. We are warned about that…
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:6-9
… i wouldn’t be taking this lightly lest we have no excuse. Matthew 5:19, do you want to be called least or great?
“So we agree? There is no Scriptural authority for Messian’s birth date or for celebrating his birth at all.”
We agree there is no Scriptural date, but I’m not on board regarding celebrating His birth:
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
—Luke 2:10-14
The angels celebrated His birth, so how can God condemn us for celebrating the same thing? Does God frown upon classic Christmas music, like Handel’s Messiah? How can He be against people whose hearts are in the right place singing that song, for the heavenly hosts sing of the same things.
I thank you for trying to correct my path for what you believe is right, but you’re going to have to put the matter in God’s hands for I am fully persuaded that it is not Scripture but legalism that condemns someone for celebrating Christmas. We see eye to eye on so many more things Mayhem than we disagree on, but there is a fine line that separates us on some things. It is a similar fine line that separates me from TS on some matters (who is also taking me to task in this thread). Part of that is for example the line in the sand you guys draw regarding the law of Moses. I agree the law of Moses is still in effect. I’m not exactly sure where you specifically stand on this, but I’m thinking you believe similar to TS that the law of Moses will not be done away with at all. But I say the law of Moses is done away with when the present heaven and earth are done away with and the rules and regulations described in Ezekiel will be in effect forever more after that.
Furthermore, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you are as adamant as TS that Jesus didn’t die on a cross, but a stake, and “the sign of the Son of Man in heaven” is not a cross. If so, we disagree on those two items as well (and perhaps for similar legalistic reasons). What symbol would be universally known by the nations upon the earth and would cause them to weep? Would it not be a symbol that reminds them of the brutal crucifixion our Savior went through for us?
Even if you reject and despise only the cross itself, you have to step back away from that and admit that the 3 inner gates and Holy Place and Most Holy of Holies in Ezekiel’s temple forms a perfect cross. I see that as every day throughout eternity, those who inherit the great feast of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, will be reminded by the same symbol as every day, throughout eternity, through these gates and in these inner courtyards and holy places which form a perfect cross, a one year old spotless lamb will be sacrificed. It will be a reminder of our salvation, which we will praise Him for and proclaim every day (see Psalm 96:2).
I said all that to wish you a merry…..errr……ummm…..scratch that Mayhem….if you don’t believe in that I’ll honor that and judge you not for it because it is between you and the Father. But neither will I let that prohibit me from proclaiming merry Christmas to anyone else who would listen so that they might come hither and get to know my Messiah and King, the Babe born in Bethlehem in a manger because there was no room at the inn, the Savior of all mankind, whom the angels sang of from on high that starry night—a great narrative is it not?
The Birth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_wFDaqueg
Silent Night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WvE8la9pnM&index=7&list=PL_tndwPSOd3ADWm2g6G4o4TKk-K0BzOuT
Angels We Have Heard on High:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdSs8yUKy-Q&list=PL_tndwPSOd3ADWm2g6G4o4TKk-K0BzOuT&index=4
Joy to the World:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUHDKNNTFg&list=PLC56241F169CDCBE3
You’d better make a good job washing those pots and pans then, am123, given that you see such trivialities as important. As far as i can tell there are 7 Holy days that are to be observed (aside from sabbat, of course) and christmas ain’t one of them…
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Deut 12:32
… you place Santa higher than your god.
Speaking of music, especially devotional music, are you aware that”Amazing Grace” is sung to the melody of an African death chant? What do you think Christ would say about that? Same thing with the cross, perhaps not worthy of rejection, but do you really think Jesus would want to see folk wearing a cross? Are we death cultists or what?
I’ll agree to disagree. Think what you will.
But I am curious as to what either you or TS say to the law of Moses being done away with. It’s like pulling teeth to get you guys to state your position on that.
Whether or not you agree with me is inconsequential, to me, perhaps you might write that on a card so you can recall your words if Messiah were to ask you “why and when” regarding celebrating his birth. I’m sure it’ll be fine but just so i’m clear i celebrate His birth everyday, without the pagan symbols.
With regard the Mosaic Law that is a wholly unfair accusation, am123. When have you ever seen me shy away from answering for my Faith? And why do you keep making everything so personal? And where do you get off ignoring my questions all the while expecting me to answer to you? I had teeth pulled yesterday, perhaps i’m a little too sensitive toward your chosen analogy.
Jesus was crucified at the stake in atonement for our sins, the ultimate sacrifice. Would you agree? Stake/Cross don’t get hung up on that small distinction. So then; the LAW regarding the sin sacrifice (atonement) and the Law requiring the death penalty for sin is all that was done away with. Otherwise all of the remaining Laws still apply, albeit observance is not what leads to Salvation.
“With regard the Mosaic Law that is a wholly unfair accusation”
It was not an accusation at all, just a prodding to get you to reveal your position because you appear to believe the law will never be done away with and I am curious as to how you square that with the rules and regulations of Ezekiel’s temple which are completely different than the rules and regulations Moses gave.
“And where do you get off ignoring my questions all the while expecting me to answer to you?”
OK, no I’m not aware about the melody of Amazing grace, but I don’t think Jesus cares. And does Jesus want to see folk wearing a cross? Probably not particularly. That’s not my thing personally. But I have to ask a rhetorical question: people will be thrown into the lake of fire on Judgment Day for many reasons, is wearing a cross one of them? As to the question of death cultists, well I know I’m not. I celebrate life everlasting.
Perhaps you should put that on a card too. Along with “I’ll agree to disagree” and “Think what you will” you can add “I didn’t think you’d care” should Jesus ask you the same questions i have.
The Law will pass when heaven and earth pass away and not a moment before. You know this, am123, why then are you throwing a spanner in the works?
Don’t get me wrong on the wearing of the cross thing. If someone makes a false idol out of it, yep, they shalt not pass go (Monopoly reference) but head straight into the lake of fire they shall go.
But if they just wear a simple little cross and make not a false idol of it and put it and all things in their proper perspective, well, I am inclined to leave that one alone and let it be between them and the Most High.
Then why did you inquire about it? I agree that the wearing of a cross probably will not cause anyone to be lost but i’m not taking any chances on it. You might remember, am123, that i expect to be damned if i don’t get my sinful nature under control.
As to your outreach program: “What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” Romans 6:15.
“Then why did you inquire about it?”
For a couple reasons. One, because you inquired about it (“do you really think Jesus would want to see folk wearing a cross?”). And two, I bring it up to make the following point. As I said, if someone wears a cross and they make a false idol out of it, yes, they will be condemned for it. But if someone wears a cross pin or whatever, and they don’t make a false idol of it, and have the proper perspective on things (God is first), then I said I leave that between them and God and they probably wouldn’t be condemned for it. So likewise, I submit if someone makes a false idol out of Christmas and celebrate it for all the wrong reasons, that is not acceptable to God. But if they have the proper perspective on things, are they going to the lake of fire because of that? I believe no.
As to what you call my outreach program and your reference to Romans 6:15, for the record, here is my position on that:
While it is true that the Law of Moses was made obsolete when Jesus was nailed to the cross and died for the sins of mankind (see Hebrews 8:13), the Law will not be done away with until this present earth and heaven disappear. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, which remains intact for this present heaven and earth (see Matthew 5:17-18). Then when the Alpha and Omega creates the new heavens and the new earth (see Revelation 21:5), the obsolete Law of Moses will be done away with permanently and the new eternal order of things, the age to come, will apply as spoken of by the Book of Revelation, the Book of Ezekiel, and other books in the Bible. However, for those who belong to the High Priest Jesus, who is in the order of Melchizedek (see Hebrews 5:6), we can partake now, by faith, of the eternal things to come, of the age to come. We can enter into the Most Holy of Holies in heaven via the blood of the Jesus. We are free now from the Law of Moses as we can now partake of the age to come by faith. That freedom however, does not give one a license to commit sexual immorality. That would be insulting the Spirit of grace.
“The Law will pass when heaven and earth pass away and not a moment before. You know this, am123, why then are you throwing a spanner in the works?”
Because believe it or not, I didn’t know if you believed that “The Law will pass when heaven and earth pass away and not a moment before”. But anyway, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m willing to bet that position is at odds with what TS says/believes. It is very interesting indeed that along that fine line I was talking about earlier I think I uncovered another discrepancy but this time it is between you and TS. Very interesting indeed. How is this related and why are you throwing another spanner in the works you may ask!
Well, first, I confess I know not what a spanner is, but I get the drift from the context. The lines of legality in the law of Moses differ from the lines of legality in the laws of Ezekiel’s temple. They are two totally separate and distinct sets of rules and regulations. One is not to be confused with the other (that is not an accusation against you but is an exhortation to any and all readers). And so you and I apparently are on the other side of that legalistic fine line that TS draws. So in this particular case, you are not being legalistic. However, in the case of celebrating Christmas, you are being legalistic in my view. So I’m just trying to flesh out these nuances to get you and others to consider the question is someone going into the lake of fire just for celebrating Christmas? In my view, it depends on the motivations and nuances I speak of.
It is a small point of little consequence but you, am123, were the first to mention the cross. Quote…
“Furthermore, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you are as adamant as TS that Jesus didn’t die on a cross, but a stake, and “the sign of the Son of Man in heaven” is not a cross.”
… play nice. Strawman. The sign of the Son of Man is the rainbow.
Would you agree that observance of the Mosaic Law is an altogether fantastic plan for righteous living? If so don’t you think describing it as “obsolete” is going a little too far? Observance, assuredly, does not earn Salvation but it is a good way to demonstrate our love for the Father.
A spanner in the works might be a Kiwi-ism and it’s akin, as an example, to dropping a spanner down the front of a car engine while it’s running. Messy.
Are you suggesting that the Law of Ezekiel’s temple is currently in effect? I thought that would happen when the third temple is raised from the ruins of Herod’s temple. What did i miss?
Regarding outreach: Paul was able to reach the heathens because he used to be one. When he was ministering he had repented and turned from his sins. You are expected to do the same thing, am123. I’ll not mince my words; it is my opinion that the observance of Messiah’s birthday at christmas is a sin. Abhorent to God the Father and God the Saviour, worthy of condemnation. To this end we are told about Jesus observing all of the Holy days, required of us, but yet there is nothing written about happy birthdays. Legalistic? Perhaps.
But i like your take on it as it does away with a shipload of my sins. I’ll just whine that i taught false doctrine in order to reach the sinners. You’ll be there when i try to sell this three legged donkey and i expect you to stand at my side and tell Jesus what you told me, as i’m certain i’ll need all the motivation and nuance i could muster.
No pun intended, but there is no law against obeying the law. But no one should think there is any gain by doing so as far as salvation goes, lest any man should boast that he is better than another.
No, I don’t think describing the Mosaic Law as obsolete is going too far at all:
“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
—Hebrews 8:13
Sounds like the perfect definition of obsolete to me!
I am not suggesting the Law of Ezekiel’s temple is currently in effect. It only goes into effect when we get a new heavens and a new earth.
Regarding the outreach thing, I do seek to repent of my sins. But I do not believe observance of Messiah’s birthday at Christmas is sinful behavior. Let everyone have their minds made up firmly on the issue (lest it become sin for them) and proceed accordingly.
If Hebrews 8:13 had stated that the old had vanished away instead of “ready to vanish away” you would have a good point. But regardless we are at loggerheads, with you clinging to RC dogma. I don’t think there’s anything more i can add.
Thank you, am123, this has been an interesting discussion and yet again you have caused me to learn a great deal.
Your welcome Mayhem and thank you for being a fellow loggerhead. It does make for some interesting discussion and sharpening between loggerheads.
….What was the “law” of Jesus Christ? LOVE ONE ANOTHER. To be an example of ‘idolatry’ I think, It would need to be a conscious, ongoing practice……And besides all of that….”Christmas” is a 99% secular affair these days…..I bought a few things for my family, but we have no tree or garland in the house….What we have is love, forgiveness and grace….If I feel a bit different this time of year…its probably traditional ‘programming’, That is unavoidable to some extent….I will anoint myself on ‘the day’. the same as I do every other day.
….As far as it goes with adherence to the Word….live rightly, be upstanding and honest in your dealings…Honor God and thank Jesus……and remember Satan IS the foremost scripture lawyer, In the universe.
Is Christmas one of GOD’s Holy Days or is it — 100% pagan??
Did God choose December 25 as the day for His First Born Son’s birth?
God gave us in advance the exact day and month of Christ’s death – the 14th Day of Abib, the first month of the year, now called Nisan and even the time of day; in the evening— but God hid in “plain sight” the date of His Son’s birth.
IF God had wanted His Chosen People to worship His first born Son on His birthday He would have certainly included that great day in HIS Plan of Salvation with instructions to do so. The entire Creation rejoiced at the birth of our soon coming KING of kings and LORD of lords —- That DAY MUST BE a HOLY DAY.
The Birth of Christ must have occurred on a day GOD had already made HOLY, a day God predetermined long before creation: Such a MONUMENTAL day in God’s Plan of Salvation MUST be determined in advance. All of God’s Holy Days occur during the planting and harvest season, not in the dead of winter. Nothing of God occurs in the dead of winter.
Jesus Christ was born on the Holy Day that begins the Feast of Tabernacles, the very day He will began to rule as KING over all the earth. Eight days later on The Last Great Day, the 7th Holy Feast of God, Christ was circumcised.
The time of the birth of Christ can be determined by the timing of the conception of John the Baptist and his father’s priestly course. How this is determined can be found on line.
the Saints of God are NEVER told to worship Christ on His birthday. The Apostles never worshiped or celebrated the birth of Christ. I have found no one of God that celebrates their birthday.
But you are free to worship as you please until Jesus Christ returns — then Christ will rule with the ROD of IRON.
The entire population on the earth will come to Jerusalem to KEEP the Feast of Tabernacles.
God even tells us exactly when His Sons, His Holy Saints will be born again into immortal Spirit;
On the first day of the seventh month. That Day is the Feast of Trumpets.
…..Notice….Truthseeker has reached his limit. He will not ever need to learn anther iota about God or “redemption”……We should all applaud his accomplishment, ready? Yeayyy…whoo whoo.
max
prove by scripture what is written above is wrong.
….I don’t need to. I don’t care what you write……. at your age we should all bow at your feet…right? You’ve got it all, boss. Get on with it. I’ll never suffer as much as you have, for your faith. Don’t need to…..I am saved by grace. You’ve put a lifetime of struggle into it….stand up….. flaunt that complicated brain of yours…..The reason your theology is like that is because you are of the belief that there is an attainable hierarchy in the kingdom of God. I hope when you get where you are going, that God will recognize, how much you have done to appear be the holiest fellow on the planet.
TS,
You ask “Is Christmas one of GOD’s Holy Days”?
Nope.
Is the Christmas event something that was prophesied about in Scripture?
Yep.
“The entire population on the earth will come to Jerusalem to KEEP the Feast of Tabernacles.”
I agree. And Passover too. But it will not be as you think, as per the law of Moses. It will be as per Ezekiel’s temple.
….Good catch 123…..The big “hiding in plain sight” secret is the Identity of modern Israel. Its got less to do with the people that populate the land of Israel, than it does the diaspora…The “House of Israel”, blood descendants of what is called the”lost tribes”. Dispersed all over this world,” numerous as the stars in heaven”. Most don’t even know their heritage. The heart of modern Christianity was born in them. It is a TRUE heart. There is a greater number of these ”bloodline Hebrews” in the U.S. and Canada, than any other place. They inherit what was thought lost.
I agree: the remnant shall be gathered to Israel according to the prophecy of Ezekiel’s temple for the Feast of Tabernacles. Which, as near as i can make out, is round about the time of Jesus birth.
You see; the old testament law was the doctrine of Christ to come whereas the new testament is the doctrine of Christ among us. Therein lies the difference.
mayhem
The only difference between the Old and the New Testament/contract are the promises and the fact Christ came to “complete” the Law and the Prophets by adding the spiritual to the physical.
The parties to the contracts remain the same: GOD and the children of Israel; house of Israel and the House of Judah.
the Old was a physical contract for a physical people with a physical Law they must keep and the promises for obeying the Law were all physical.
The New contract is a spiritual contract for a spiritual people with a spiritual law that must be kept but now the promises are spiritual.
Those called of God the Father can now be forgiven upon repentance and then can be given the Father’s Spirit which empowers those called to begin to live by every WORD of God and if those called “endure until the end” they receive the promise of the Spiritual GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE.
What is hiding in plain sight are the 7 HOLY Feasts of God. The perfect Plan of Salvation has been hidden in Leviticus 23 since Moses. So called christianity has rejected GOD’s Feast as Jewish even thought Christ and all His disciples (the true Christians) kept them.
Every important event in the Plan of God occurs on a Day made Holy in advance by God.
The birth of Christ was a monumental part of God’s Plan and did occur on a HOLY Day but we have never been instructed to celebrate the birth of Christ.
Christmas is not in the Bible but the Feast of Tabernacles which is the day of His birth is. The flocks and the Shepherds are not in the fields in the dead of winter. Christmas is catholic and I reject everything catholic: Hell, Sunday, Easter, immortal soul, going to heaven etc. etc.
max jones
I was not taught by man what I write on BIN. I have listened to men in the past until I learned my salvation is up to me. I have had to unlearn much of what I was given by men.
I have learned nothing on BIN. BIN is confusion.
The main reason for me commenting of BIN is to learn to express the Word of God more perfectly and I have a ways to go.
…seeker……Its a good thing that you have taken responsibility for your salvation, as you put it,
”Sire, we worked all day for a penny…and these others got the same pay for less…?(paraphrased)
Your salvation was completed when you first began to believe in the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ….That was it….All feasts day and other traditional practices are wonderful for your private devotionals, but are not necessary for the plain old run of the mill Christian salvation. It doesn’t matter to any one else’s personal relationship with Christ. I still think you are too concerned with the celebratory aspects of the faith….I celebrate every single day in the grace of my Lord. But you are telling me that there are all these traditional conditions that MUST be practiced. I say horse pucky. It relates to our very first conversation, when I said that that if a child dies before the age of consent, they go right back to the presence of God. You thought that would be ‘unfair’, due to the fact the baby never went through the hell of a life time of sorrows like you have. Like any of us has some sort of claim to a “higher” type of salvation, due to the length or depth of service to Christ.
…remember the parable of the “housholder’ who hired some help in the morning for a penny, and went out a t noon and went out at evening…the hirelings each got a penny. One of those that started at morning complained,
….The Householder told him…”I paid you what we agreed on…have I cheated you? Remember that parable……some of the things you say sound like the complaining hireling.
@Truthseeker. That was a lot of words to largely agree with me? The only part i’m not comfy with is the observance of the Holy days being the plan to Salvation. How are works and grace compatible?
max
Then if salvation is this “simple” why does Christ say in Matthew 25 that half the
Church of God is locked out of the Kingdom of God?
And why Does Christ plainly state in Matthew 7; 21 – 23 that many “MANY” will say to me in that day they did this and that and Christ will say to them “depart from me you that work LAWLESSNESS?”
Why did Christ keep the Sabbath and the Holy Feast and the LAW — as an example for those Called out ones of God to follow.
Max some one has passed off another gospel to you.
TS said:
“we have never been instructed to celebrate the birth of Christ”
But is it OK to rejoice in the birth of Christ? Maybe not according to you. But according to the Bible, the answer is yes.
In chapter 9 of Isaiah, it says men will rejoice because unto us a child is born.
When the wise men from the east “saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy” (Matthew 2:10).
“And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.”
—Luke 1:14
…seeker….like I said, I celebrate EVERY DAY. Christ BECAME our Sabbath…I recognize no other.
Make it as hard for yourself as you want to…you’ve got your ‘traditions’ and you seem to need them…for your own comfort….nothing wrong with that…..I guess. Carry on… satisfy thyself.
….My Lord is ‘inclusive’. He’s not “out there” looking for reasons to condemn anybody….looking for somebody to ‘ZAP’. Grace vs. law…new testament vs. old testament…..If you are going to rely on a legalistic view. You probably need to start raising sheep, so you’ve got ‘clean’ animals to sacrifice…You’ll need other things too…an Ephod and a brazen sea, altar…and a bunch of other stuff.
max,
I’m impressed with your answer to TS about salvation being completed when first believing. And you are absolutely correct about if a child dies they go directly into God’s presence in heaven. This is borne out by Scripture, for according to Matthew 18:14, it is not God’s will for little ones (children) to perish. To perish is to be cut off from God’s presence. Furthermore, David, who, after his first child (out of wedlock no less) with Bathsheba had died, said this:
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
—2 Samuel 12:19-23
So David knew the child went to God, where he would go one day.
You are on firm ground with your beliefs on salvation.
Now about that UFO stuff….
…123…I believe in that old saw: Know thine enemy. I believe the fallen angels (devils) are here with us and have been since the katabole. They have been trying to corrupt us humans since the beginning. From the ‘sin’ in the garden to the rise of antichrist….The Napha and their ‘boss’, Satan, have been working hard to negate God’s miraculous plan to remove the tempter from our
existence. The big final battle is ongoing, and has been for a long time. It is just about to be made apparent to the rest of the world. Something this BIG, can’t be kept secret forever. As tough and powerful as Satan is, he is vulnerable as soon as his angelic spirit is infused into the poor shmuck, whose soul is being groomed for the job of antichrist. And that is what all this ‘hullabalew’ is all about. Defeating death……The devil.
Mayhem
The 7 Holy Days Holy Feast of God that are listed in Leviticus 23 are the shadows of the events in the Plan of God.
Passover is the beginning of that Plan, The first step is the reconciling of man to God the Father. our sins blocked us from the Father and Christ, by paying our obligation or debt to sin allows those that have repented of sin approach directly to the Father. Remember sin is the transgression of the Law.
the seven days of Unleavened Bread shows man has 6 days (6000 years) to get sin out of our lives which is impossible with out Christ, then the 7th day of Unleavened Bread is a shadow of the 7th Day of Rest, the 1000 years of the reign of Christ.
The Feast of Pentecost the 12 Apostles and the 108 disciples kept 50 days after Christ returned to His Father’s side was the beginning of God’s Church and the giving of the Spirit of God making the disciples Saints of God and begotten sons of God.
The Feast of Trumpets, which is a memorial to the time when Christ returns at the LAST TRUMP — IS —that return of Christ at which time the first resurrection occurs.
There are more but this shows why Christ and the Disciples kept them. They remind us year by year of the Plan God is working our here on earth. With knowledge of God’s plan of salvation one had no idea what God is doing and why.
The 4000 flavors of so called christianity hate them all and made up their own, they “will” worship as THEY please and not as God commands.
I choose to obey and to do God’s will.
…Seeker….yo, my friend…..I prayed on our “intellectual” conversation. What I got back was an exhortation to try the new wine ……..good stuff f’sure.
So you agree, Truthseeker, that observance of the Holy days does not provide Salvation in as much as they are a reminder of how Salvation is obtained. So where is the disagreement between us? After all; you clearly state that the observances are for the purpose of Worship not Salvation.
Mayhem
I seem to be doing a very poor job of explaining God’s Word.
In the old Testament times some of the writers described the times as “every man did that which seemed right in their own eyes” : that is the time we are in now.
If there are 50 that comment regularly on BIN then there are 50 different methods of worship.
That is confusion.
Christ used only the books of the Law and the Prophets as did the disciples for in them is all that is needed for salvation. And those books and the prophets all proclaim man is to keep the Sabbath and the Holy Feasts of God and God’s Holy Law as OUR DUTY not to gain salvation which is a free gift a gift that can not be earned. But all of them are the WAY of RIGHTEOUSNESS, the WAY God the Father and His Son have always lived.
The 10 Commandments reveal the Divine Nature of God, these Laws are eternal they have been from from before and will be for ever.
I have to go and I do not think more words will be of use.
You’re right about that, Truthseeker, more words are a waste of time given your self contradictory arguments. Let me explain: you say…
“Christ used only the books of the Law and the Prophets as did the disciples for in them is all that is needed for salvation”
… if only you had said; for in them is all that WAS needed. Then you say…
“man is to keep the Sabbath and the Holy Feasts of God and God’s Holy Law as OUR DUTY not to gain salvation”
… and i couldn’t agree more. Salvation comes by Faith in Grace. Showing our love for the Father comes from observance of His Holy days. Are you reading me as claiming we are not required to observe the Feasts? If so you are reading me wrong.
“Without the Savior born in Bethlehem, grace and peace between us and God would not be possible! ”
Sure, the IT you are worshipping has massive forgiveness problems with one solution fit’s all problems… genocide.
Needs a disgusting blood sacrifice in order to forgive = absolutely barbaric and obnoxious.
You can choose to believe the Gospel message or not, the choice is up to you.
I prefer the original, Dionysus. Way more honest.
Oh, SPAMMERS SUPREME!
The Heretic HATES ALL OF you, scumboys (for christ, of course)!!
FEEL the “generated” HATE radiating to your inner essence!
HATE is just like “radiation”!
When enough is directed YOUR way, YOU WILL FEEL IT’S EFFECTS on “your’ body, christo-SCUM!!!!
And, STOP STEALING MY AVATARS, you malicious PIGGY, HOARDING, thieving, christo-CRIMINALS!!!
….The ‘blood’ sacrifice was commanded by the Lord to the Hebrews To teach the people about the mortal condition, old testament man, had to live in. There was no Savior, yet, but through the bloodline of the Hebrews, the Son of God would become the son of man. All of the old testament is the story of “preserving” the pure bloodline of Eth hah Adam, Or “the” man, Adam. Created on the eighth day of creation two “days” later than the “races” of the world, of whom the Lord said, ” It is good.”
Max
P.A.M taught us well no need for my input you saidcit brother
Bleep Arnold Murray and bleep his despicable doctrine. What?
““the” man, Adam. Created on the eighth day of creation ”
Can you please provide chapter and verse for that max?
Thanks in advance!
I hope you’re not holding your breath, am123, because they tend to shut up and scuttle off when they’re called out. I don’t mind and i leave them alone so long as their doctrine is sound. I’ve been studying the goods on their religion and it’s probably to their advantage to ignore dissent. We’ll see.
Yeah, I didn’t expect a valid response, but rather some mumbo jumbo.
“The Babe was born in Bethlehem wrapped in swaddling clothes in a manger because there was no room at the inn! ”
Which is actually a cave. I doubt very much he was born swaddled and in manger. Last time I read about it, Mary is a human not an elephant.
Mayhem
When did God give you authority to judge people can you translate Hebrew into English can you translate Greek into English , pull the board out of your own eye before you look at a splinter in someone else’s
Yes: i do both of those things with a lot of help from the internets. I can’t answer your first question for i have no authority and i’m not at all certain that God even knows who me. I certainly don’t hear voices in my head that could be attributed to Him if that’s what you mean. Oh there’s voices they’re just not God. One of them i call genius and the other is called idiot. Between the two of them i end up as Joe average.
But before we get into this can you provide evidence for Mr Murray’s doctorate. You see: dissertations are required to be a matter of public record so that people, like me, can be checking whether or not folk have a clue.
How does Matthew 7:5 apply without you first showing where my opinion is in error? Do you get that? You don’t know me, you only know what i write here. What plank? Oh there’s planks alright, nothing surer, but how could you know?
Mayhem
Then Matt 7:6 would fit you I shouldn’t cast my pearls before swine and likewise as you said you don’t know me either other than commenting on here but character speaks volumes when one speaks
That will be a “no” then, messengermark? All good with me but there is not much for us to discuss until i see a copy of this self proclaimed doctor’s dissertation. What pearls? Unsubstantiated rhetoric can hardly be called pearls of wisdom.