Episode 84: Modern Israel is not Biblical Israel

Bible Prophecy Under the Microscope-Episode 84

Gary comments on a recent interview that Tucker Carlson had with Carrie Prejean Boller about the nation of Israel.

GARY: Dispensationalists postpone the eschatological aspects of Jesus’ ministry and say that we are now living in a parenthesis—a gap—called the “Church Age.” According to them, the prophetic clock does not start ticking again until something called the rapture of the Church takes place.

The question is, if you are not a Dispensationalist, you’ve gotten rid of this gap idea, and now you have continuity from the time of Christ for the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. What then follows? What happens afterwards? What should we as Christians be doing now? Based on the things that Jesus accomplished, do they have any “this world/this day and time” application? This is a big question that needs to be answered on both sides, whether you’re Dispensationalist or Reformed; whether you’re Amillennial, Postmillennial, Radical Two Kingdom, or whatever the case may be. This is the big debate.

This was the debate when you and I were in seminary with Greg Bahnsen. What is the application of God’s Word to this time and place? How does the Word manifest itself in the world? Kim, we talked a little bit before we started recording, and you wanted to look at Revelation 2, beginning with verse 25. Why don’t you go ahead and take it from there.

KIM: I’ll set the stage for what I want to focus on to raise several questions for the Church. Jesus speaks in Revelation 2:25-29 of the saints’ reign in and with Christ. What is this dominion, this reign of the saints? When is it? If preterism is true, where is this reign? Do we experience it? Most Christians today, I dare say, would assert that they do not see it or experience it now. Futurists would say that this is proof that preterism is false. But is it the case instead that the Church just flat-out doesn’t believe it, and, as you say, in its unbelief, postpones or projects it elsewhere—into heaven when we die or at the end of time—or anywhere but not here and now. The buzz word that unbelieving detractors use to defame and dismiss this whole notion of the current reign of the saints in history on earth is “triumphalism;” a dirty word in their book. They prefer instead the poor suffering Church, trampled underfoot by the world. The saints, rather, are just “passing through” this world as pilgrims. They are not exercising dominion here and now.

The Hope of Israel and the Nations

In this second and concluding volume of The Hope of Israel and the Nations, Kim Burgess continues expounding his lessons on New Testament Eschatology. With help from co-author Gary DeMar, Kim connects all the parts of the NT and fashions them into a whole. Kim emphasizes the one-and-many approach to interpretation. The parts and the whole must be studied together. They make up the warp and woof of proper biblical interpretation. The process takes time and study, but it brings the full story of the Bible into clear focus

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Gary comments on a recent interview that Tucker Carlson had with Carrie Prejean Boller about the nation of Israel. Boller makes very good points about the modern state of Israel not being the same as the biblical nation of Israel. It’s also an opportunity to discuss another Tucker interview, one with the US Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee.

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