Challenging the standard view of neutrinos

Marko Manninen sent me a highly interesting link to the work of Prof. Anca Tureanu (see this), who challenges the prevailing standard physics view of neutrinos (see this).

Also in my opinion, the theoretical physics picture of neutrinos is wrong.

1. Both neutrinos and quarks mix: we talk about CKM mixing. Neutrinos are no different from d-quarks in this respect. The mixing model for neutrinos coming from the Sun is in serious trouble. It assumes resonant mixing inside Sun and this is a completely ad hoc feature. This, along with many other anomalies, calls into question the entire view of the Sun’s nuclear physics, on which the repeated failed attempts to build hot fusion reactors are based (see this). Strictly speaking, both U and D quarks as well as charged leptons and neutrinos mix: the difference in mixing corresponds to CKM mixing. What mixing is, is a complete mystery in the Standard Model.

In TGD, mixing is reduced to topological mixing between different topologies of 2-dimensional parton surfaces (see for instance this). A sphere, a torus, and a sphere with 2 handles define the relevant parton topologies. For example, a torus collapses into a sphere in a mixing and a quantum state is a superposition of different topologies. TGD explains why there are 3 generations (why there couldn’t be 3 handles, for example) and p-adic thermodynamics correctly predicts masses for different generations. Higher generations would be many particle systems of handles with continuum mass spectrum.

One problem is whether neutrinos are massless or not. There is strong evidence for their massivation and in TGD the masses can be predicted by p-adic thermodynamics (see this, this and this).

However, a right-handed neutrino has one exactly massless mode (see this) and this), which is color singlet but also an infinite number of colored modes like other fermions which are associated with color singlet physical states. Color confinement therefore applies also to leptons. The new view of color leads to the prediction of a hierarchy of copies of Standard Model physics (see this). There is already support for this prediction.

The problem with masses is more general: also quarks are effectively massless in quark-gluon plasma but massive in initial and final states. The concept of quark-gluon plasma seems to be a much more general notion than believed. The proper understanding of this notion could allow us to get out from the confines of QCD and the standard model. TGD indeed leads to a new view of what happens in particle reactions and generalizes the quark-gluon-plasma state to all particles (see this).

There is also the problem of the inert neutrino. It begins to be clear that there is no such thing as an inert neutrino. But the observations require something new to explain the observations. The observations are explained if neutrinos can be in a “dark” h_eff> h states (see this). Similar darkstate for protons, playhing a key role in TGD based quantum biology, explains the anomalous finding that the life-tme of a neutron depends on the way it is measured (see this). I looked at Anca Tureanu’s article (see this). In the article, Tureanu claims that there is a logical contradiction in neutrino physics.

1. The reaction rates are calculated by considering incoming and outgoing neutrinos as mass eigenstates. In contrast, in neutrino mixing observed in laboratory experiments, quantum coherent superpositions of neutrino generations of different masses are assumed in the model of mixing. The model can be tested in laboratory experiments.

The mixing model is applied to the solar neutrinos inside the Sun. One has to make a very ad hoc assumption about a resonance arising in the interaction with the environment (low energy neutrinos interact extremely weakly). Quarks are also mixed in incoming and outgoing states, but they are assumed to be eigenstates of mass. Note that we cannot study the possible dynamic mixing of quarks in the laboratory.

Can neutrino states with different masses be in quantum superposition? Or do they have to be massless for this to be possible? In what sense would they be massive? Tureanu proposes that neutrinos are massless but that in some sense also massive.

The proposal is that the phenomenon is analogous to birefringence, which occurs in an insulator, where the dielectric constant for photons coming in perpendicular directions is different. The velocity of propagation is light speed c_#12

What about neutrinos? Instead of two polarizations for neutrinos, there would be 3 different generations moving at different speeds v₁, v₁₂, v₃ How does this relate to TGD?

1. One of the fundamental differences between TGD and GRT are warped 4-surfaces, which are gravitationally and electroweak vacuums but for which the speed of light c_# is less than c (see this). The surfaces are analogous to a thin metal plate that is unstable and vibrates, but does not stretch. This means that the light signals along the surface propagate more slowly because the distance between two points is longer.

This generalizes from the level of flat space-time surfaces to the level of Hamilton-Jacobi structures (see this) and does not need to be limited to flat 4-surfaces.

There is actually empirical evidence for the warping from neutrino physics. In the case of SN1987A, the neutrinos arrived in two pulses (see this). I explained this using different warpings of the space-time sheets along which the neutrinos of pulses arrived. Quite recently, it turned out that warping also provides an elegant model for the Allais effect.

Ordinary refraction for electromagnetic waves would occur at the interface of two regions with different c_#. The phenomenon would be completely general and also occur for fermions (in TGD all particles are composed of fundamental fermions). In particular, massless neutrinos.

In birefringence, different spin directions would be associated with different c_# values. Could there be substances, where this would happen for fermions as well. Polarizations would correspond to different helicities (M⁴ chiralities) correlating with CP₂ chirality by fermion number conservation.

It however seems that in some sense neutrinos are massless and in some sense massive. This is a paradox. In TGD this is true for all particles. Initial and final many particle states are 8-D and particle states in interaction volume are 4-D.

In the interaction volume the system is a 4-D surface and fermions fulfill the analogy of the 4-D massless Dirac equation. From the initial and final states of scattering fermions fulfill the 8-D Dirac equation and are massless in the 8-D sense but massive in the 4-D sense. This would generalize the notions of hadron phase and quark-gluon plasma phase so that it applies to all particles. Hadrons appear in the 8-D initial and final states and quarks appear in the 4-D interacting states. Color confinement occurs for both quarks and leptons and there is an infinite hierarchy of standard model physics since there is infinite hierarchy of color partial waves in CP₂ for both quarks and leptons.

The 4-surfaces associated with fermions would be massless but characterized by the reduced speed of light c_#. Like photons, they would have an effective mass in the interaction volume. Different neutrinos in 4-D states would be associated with different values of c_#: this would be the counterpart for 8-D massivation. p-Adic thermodynamics allows us to calculate the 8-D masses.

For a summary of earlier postings see Latest progress in TGD.

For the lists of articles (most of them published in journals founded by Huping Hu) and books about TGD see this.

Source: https://matpitka.blogspot.com/2026/07/challenging-standard-view-of-neutrinos.html